Curse

Julen · Nov 01, 2006, 09:19 AM // 09:19

Im guessing half of the people who are in favor of this have never set foot in HA before this update. I'm still seein rediculous arguments bout everything being bspike and iway. FFS people, those builds have been gone for over a month now.

Make a valid comment or make no comment at all. If you cant understand the current state is wrong you lack all forms of common sense imo.

PVP = player vs player, thats all that has to be said

Sword · Nov 01, 2006, 09:22 AM // 09:22

HA is boring going up against heroes every damn match ... needs to go ASAP

/signed

widowdaballa · Nov 01, 2006, 11:12 AM // 11:12

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Originally Posted by Firion Ashenfall

i reckon just kick the heros..theyre fuking gay for one pure reason, you can customise them to whatever build you wanna run and they use it to its max! friggin humans cant play nearly as good as them

/signed because i hate ANET and their stupid friggin ideas to ruin GW for the rest of us!

There it is people!! The hidden truth behind all these whiners posts! Friggin humans can't play nearly as good as them (heroes)!! Human vs Human is ok sure, cuz they both suck, but throw in a Hero, BLAM! There goes the FotM, cookie cutter builds, spikes, etc!. Jeez, we can customize heroes? I guess humans can't customize a build, OH WAIT, they use the builds they get off of websites, duh, silly me! They MAY not know what customization is.

You know, one thing i've seen hardly any, if any at all of, is any of the GOOD Heroe's Ascent players. I have yet to see one in here whining and complaining about this change. They obviously know how to adapt. Thats me talking in all seriousness. If you don't know how to adapt to the situation, you obviously don't know what you are doing. You couldn't even do it right with heroes yourself. You suck. terribly.

If your telling me that you got to your rank 12 with hard work, then what's stopping you from showing us henchways, your worthiness of that phoenix or tiger, or deer or frog or walrus! Show us that some NPC's aren't gonna stop you from getting to your next emote, show it off! Cuz that's all that HA really means to you...unfortunately.

I'm reminded of something that happened to the PvEr's awhile back, oh wait, this happened about...a week ago! We were believing that the enemy AI was bugged and felt that they were fleeing as soon as they got hit once, kiting is what you call it. PvPers were going into that thread posting "HAha freaking noobs, adapt or die!", "bring a crippling skills, a hex!" Guess what, I did. I adapted, and now those freaking AVICARA are getting they're asses handed to them!

Anyways enough with my ranting. And yes save the bambis, they are becoming extinct! Keep Heroe's in forever!

/Not Signed x2

widowdaballa · Nov 01, 2006, 11:18 AM // 11:18

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Originally Posted by Julen

Im guessing half of the people who are in favor of this have never set foot in HA before this update. I'm still seein rediculous arguments bout everything being bspike and iway. FFS people, those builds have been gone for over a month now.

Make a valid comment or make no comment at all. If you cant understand the current state is wrong you lack all forms of common sense imo.

PVP = player vs player, thats all that has to be said

If this (PVP = player vs player, thats all that has to be said) is the best argument YOU have, then your argument is no more valid than what everyone else in favor of this is for. You are still playing vs other humans. It's just not a full team of humans. BUT it's still humans on that team. You know what makes that team better than a full NPC group like the zaishen you go up against? It's because that sole human in that group is gonna let the rest of the group know that their enemies are near, and they will attack before you have time to set up whatever it is your gonna set up to kill them. They are smarter than full human teams, and smarter than full NPC teams. And those getting their asses handed because of this can't stand it.

The Pointless · Nov 01, 2006, 11:31 AM // 11:31

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Originally Posted by Firion Ashenfall

i reckon just kick the heros..theyre fuking gay for one pure reason, you can customise them to whatever build you wanna run and they use it to its max! friggin humans cant play nearly as good as them

/signed because i hate ANET and their stupid friggin ideas to ruin GW for the rest of us!

First of all people with your attitude do not even deserve a computer imho.

Secondly, Computer AI in this day and age is still stupid. Koss is a moron because he can't follow Sever Artery with Gash

Thirdly, GW is ANet's game. Whinge all you want, but at the end of the day it's up to them what they do with the game.

lishi · Nov 01, 2006, 02:28 PM // 14:28

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Originally Posted by The Pointless

First of all people with your attitude do not even deserve a computer imho.

Secondly, Computer AI in this day and age is still stupid. Koss is a moron because he can't follow Sever Artery with Gash

Thirdly, GW is ANet's game. Whinge all you want, but at the end of the day it's up to them what they do with the game.

first.

Ignore those 2-3 people who say

"OMG hero kick my ass kick them out"

begin to list all the other who say

"OMG HA is worse then ever"

MDeshame · Nov 01, 2006, 02:36 PM // 14:36

Need some cheese with that whine?

/not signed.

This gives the lower ranks a chance to play now. Which is what it should do.
Learn another build other than IWAY.

AI isn't as great as you make it out to be, I'm guessing you're exaggerating to hide your shortcomings.

Sophitia Leafblade · Nov 01, 2006, 02:58 PM // 14:58

/Not Signed

People complain its not PVP if its Heros but dont forget the Heros are "An Extension of your character -Anet" their skills, attributes and armour are all determined by players. Not all people have the time to spend hours to find a good team that works well together. And us in small guilds cant always call upon reliable friends to join us for a bit of PVP fun. Why should we be practically left out of the HA circle and given no hope in hell of ever gaining Fame just because larger guilds and/or more PVP orientated players don’t like fighting too hard or too easy fights against other players and there heros.

DergeDraconis · Nov 01, 2006, 04:25 PM // 16:25

/signed

McMullen · Nov 01, 2006, 04:35 PM // 16:35

Apart from the obvious flaws of the AI such as spazzing out when taking AoE damage, they can only be as boring as the build they're given..

Also i agree with Sophitia, it's down to player skill and knowledge to make the hero's useful.. I did HA yesterday for the first time in weeks with hero's and i got 6 wins in a row and made it to halls (and lost to a dual smite xD), I only made it there because i picked my targets properly and my team build was decent.

/notsigned

Not A Fifty Five · Nov 01, 2006, 04:57 PM // 16:57

yeah its pretty annoying that people will consider someone with rank 0 to be a noob. if someone uses heroes and attains rank 3 quickly than he obviously has some talent. There's no way that a noob will attain rank 3 with heroes because you have to control 4 characters at once and have 2 shitty henchies. Its not easy. This is giving people a chance to show that yes they're rank 0, but they're batter in fact than some really stupid fame farming rank 9s.

Link4009 · Nov 01, 2006, 05:16 PM // 17:16

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Originally Posted by conjurer

/signed

This just give chance to nonskilled 10 years old childrens to ruin ha, with playin like idiots on every single altar maps

If "Nonskilled" 10 year olds are kicking YOUR can with hench, then maybe you should look upon yourself whos nonskilled.
/not signed

Helios Skyfire · Nov 01, 2006, 06:56 PM // 18:56

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Originally Posted by MDeshame

Need some cheese with that whine?

/not signed.

This gives the lower ranks a chance to play now. Which is what it should do.
Learn another build other than IWAY.

AI isn't as great as you make it out to be, I'm guessing you're exaggerating to hide your shortcomings.

And the higher-ranks playing heroway? Explain that one.

Mysterial · Nov 01, 2006, 07:50 PM // 19:50

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Originally Posted by Helios Skyfire

And the higher-ranks playing heroway? Explain that one.

Because they couldn't find six guildies for a team right then? I should think that would be obvious. The only time I'd ever consider a PUG over the AI is when I know some of the people in the PUG.

Link4009 · Nov 01, 2006, 07:59 PM // 19:59

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Originally Posted by Mysterial

Because they couldn't find six guildies for a team right then? I should think that would be obvious. The only time I'd ever consider a PUG over the AI is when I know some of the people in the PUG.

Tis a very good reason

M3lk0r · Nov 01, 2006, 08:17 PM // 20:17

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Originally Posted by MDeshame

Need some cheese with that whine?

/not signed.

This gives the lower ranks a chance to play now. Which is what it should do.

All you people cannot understand that by playing with Hero/Hench you are actually not learning ANYTHING. You are also having NONE of the FUN of a PVP game.

A PVP game is NOT about "fame." period.
A PVP game is about communication with your team members, calling adren spikes, positioning, bodyblocking, telling your team how you made the monk raqequit after p draining his orison 3rd time in a row. C+Space and a "Victory" sign dont even come close.

Winning Halls with heroway in 30mins maybe nice, but I would much rather prefer a proper match for 30mins if it was in the underworld and EVEN if we lost.

Halls was a joke before, now its just sad.

Helios Skyfire · Nov 01, 2006, 08:19 PM // 20:19

Ok then, all I'm saying is the arguement that "Only n00bz R going 2 bring heroz anywayz! LAWLZ!" is about stupid.

Noobs are using Heros
Vets are using Heros
Unskilled players are using Heros
Skilled players are using Heros
EVERYONE'S using Heros.

Some heroways are winnging - some are are losing.

So, IMHO, "But only _X_ is going to use Heroway - anyway!" is a moot point.

"But Heroway sucks anyway!", also moot.

The only arguement that really means anything here is:

"Is PvP with a few NPCs to create match conditions (Ghostly Hero, Guild Lord - etc) that same thing as a 99% AI team simply led by a Player (Heroway)?"

I say no. I'm guessing most other people will say no, too.

Which brings the question up - "Do you care? Does it matter to you if you're playing PvP or PvE masquerading as PvP?"

And I do.

If I choose to play PvP - I don't want someone who feels like bringing Heroway to be able to nullify my choice to play PvP.

Everytime I face a heroway team I feel like someone's going "Thought you were gonna PvP?? THINK AGAIN, NOOB!!! LAWLZ!"

And I don't like it.

Skuld · Nov 01, 2006, 08:38 PM // 20:38

This is rediculous, all you ppl who are saying its great that we can take heroes because we wouldn't get a team any other way - why are you even wanting to do HA?

Series · Nov 01, 2006, 10:10 PM // 22:10

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Originally Posted by Series

I love how the "PvP is PvP because I'm fighting players, not AI" argument fails to mention:

-Ghostly Heroes
-The countless NPCs in Guild Battles
-Those guys who guard the bases in AB
-Pets
-Minions
-Henchmen

You've been fighting AI since square one.

I hope you guys understand this... the only difference between 3 heroes and a real player and 3 henchies and a real player is that heroes DON'T suck.

When HA became 6v6, any 2 players could make their own team. Now, 2 can make their own hero team and 1 can make a hero/hench team. So instead of fighting 2 people, you are fighting possibly one. Oh noes!!!!

Isn't PvP about skill? What takes more skill- grabbing a build off of guildwiki and hitting the 1 key, or micromanaging several heroes in unison with your teammate to win. You say "Well rl ppl wont obey this noob heroes do!" If he's such a noob and his strategies kick your ass, maybe that's a sign that your cookie cutter build just isn't good enough. Maybe when you get beat by that "unranked noob", it isn't because he has heroes- it's because his heroes actually take him seriously and maybe the kid isn't as bad as you think he is just because he hasn't farmed for fame with IWAY.

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Originally Posted by Skuld

This is rediculous, all you ppl who are saying its great that we can take heroes because we wouldn't get a team any other way - why are you even wanting to do HA?

Maybe because they bought the game too and want to enjoy it? The HA community is just a bunch of elitists, it's nearly impossible for a new player to join the FUN. I guess you can't have fun unless you're a rank 7? Even if you're just as good as them? Maybe they didn't spend $300 on an account off of ebay? Is that a requirement for fun? I think not.

Really Skuld, is it too much to ask that the people want to have FUN on Guild Wars? If you can't beat a hero team, it's because your team simply wasn't prepared or wasn't good enough. Heroes don't get extra armor, they don't get extra health, they don't attack twice as fast. The only advantages to heroes are faster reaction time and the fact that ANYBODY can make a group. The disadvantages of using heroes are that it takes great skill and heroes can't think for themselves like real people can. If you get beat by a hero group or a real group, you got beat, gg. If you beat a real group or a hero group, then congrats.

Skuld · Nov 01, 2006, 10:18 PM // 22:18

8 districts reduced to 2 and everything being heroway, fun? I'm a lowly 300-and-something fame, and me and a friend play together on-and-off. This is a lot more fun than commanding a bunch of bots. The claim of not getting a group is BS, what am I doing with pugs that others are not? Looking/trying? -_-